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Wind power at below the cost of coal

tim_grindley's Avatar

Hi, 

I have an idea for a wind power system which would produce power at a cost below that of coal fire power stations.

The present wind turbines have problems in their requirement for lots of very expensive maintainance. They also kill birds, cause infra sound interferance and cannot be sited in the view of radars for air traffic control.

All these issues are over come with my design.

Initially I need about $150,000 for a working prototype and basic IP protection. I have no experience of this sort of big business thing... all way over my head... plumber by trade... help...

After that I would need to licence the idea and thus require business experteese as much as funds.

Discussion beyond these generalities probably needs a NDA. Please ask any questions and I will try to answer them.

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Hi Tim and Welcome to Edison Nation!

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countofmontecristo's Avatar

Hi Tim-

Looks like you have been a member here for awhile, but just now decided to chime in.

I'll try not to go into details here but if your wind-power solution involves the 'column multi generation pole' type of wind power I'm afraid it's already been done.  They are indeed a much smarter approach to both energy generation and wasted space, since there are no giant blades swooping around to kill both bats and birds.  Like all great ideas however, there are political and economic factors dead set against it- just like high efficiency solar has been up against for years. 

I'll send you a friend request so you don't more spill beans out in this public space.  I can email you links to current white papers from experts in that field now and you can decide if your idea is novel enough to move forward however you choose.  I thought of the same thing most likely well over 15 years ago, but that seems to be my curse.

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I expect the costs to be less than gas as well as all other fossil fuels.

I don't know what a cloumn multi generation pole is. I will have a look on google but it already is far more complex than my idea.

Assuming I understand how to make it work on the engineering front ho do I go about getting the support I need? Who do I talk to?

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Money and path to market expertese.

I am just a plumber and will be completely out of my depth in such field. 

Obviously getting to a position to licence such a thing is a long road with plenty of potential for making mystakes. It would be good to have somebody who had more confidence than me along. Confidence from experience and understanding.

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Hi Tim the plumber , 

 I am the inventor of a paper 15 volt battery . It's activated by a few drops of water. My invention was offered NASA funding.

     It took me years of building prototypes from just things i could afford.  This is the organic path forward because if you make everything from inexpensive materials , you know that the cost to produce your widgets might be affordable for sale.

So you dont need a lot of money just build a small prototype from what you can get your hands on and make sure it works well! This is your job as an inventor. Teach your self how to make it. Dont farm this job out to anyone because you will miss out on the discovery stages. If anyone is helping you do the work and discovers how to make your invention even better, they are legally the co-inventors with you or they might take that discovery and go shop it around without you. 

    I am a professional artist by trade and had to learn everything I needed to understand electricity from the internet , books and trial and error. If I had gone to electronics school I never would have figured it out. 

  The point is you can figure this out if you stay with the problem. Dont listen to anyone that tells you you are not on the right path. Those people have  learned everything about their own limits not yours.

So go make a prototype and submit it to Edison Nation. 

Charlie Lumsden
Ralph Machesky
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 You and Frank have given us not all, but some of the most of the beautiful paintings. Nice to see you are well

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 Nice to see you are well, how did the radio show go for the water candle?

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Thank you Charlie,

How are you?

I was on My Cool Inventions radio show twice. They asked me back for a second time as featured guest.

Since then my invention has continued evolving from that candle to a small paper sticky strip with an LED.  Sort of a 15 volt sticky note I guess.  I partnered with a USA company and they are designing the mechanized machinery to make them. 

This is the reason I told Tim that the discovery portion of inventing is so important.  

I agree , Frank is an awesome painter.  I had no idea.

Thanks again.

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I'm affraid that i have already come across too many rip off artists in the "helping inventors industry" to ever give somebody money to just look at the thing.

Before I patent it I will want to underatand my path to market well. I want to find useful people first.

Building the miniture prototype is easy. I can do that in my shed. 

The principal issue of that is that it is the large size required for compercial generatoin that makes the current wind turbines very expensive to maintain due to the frequency of them creating cracks in the blades.

The numbers required by any large scale comercial project before many millions are spent on this sort of thing need a large prototype with supporting analysis.

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Don't make getting a patent filed your goal when it is not. You need the working gizmo and down that path of fine tuning and changes you do not want to have to file a second and third patent app at $6K each at every change you make. Big rocky mistake. Get the working gizmo as close to the final as you can.

Ralph Machesky
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Jim is correct- You need to develop and have working 'proof of concept' of the idea before you go filing patents (and this is from a patent filing type of guy). I covered the 'why' portion of that statement in the prototyping blog entry here on EN. "As you prototype and develop your idea, you 'learn' things about it along the way." After you have a working, proof of concept idea down, you can then turn to other important factors that will need ironing out like: Costs to mass produce, permits, certifications and studies and lastly, patents.

One strong word of caution- It sounds like you do not have the wherewithal to do this by yourself, which is certainly understandable. That means you will have to consult others who are are capable in that field. Make 100% sure you have bullet-proof, enforceable NDA and NCA agreements in place FIRST. I have been screwed out of 30 million dollars by people I 'trusted' so believe me, it's not a mistake one wants to make.
Another factor you will have to contend with is the patent itself. Why is THAT a big deal?
Because you are talking about upsetting the 'balance of power' in regards to current energy production..and certain people are going to notice that, I 100% guarantee it. You DO know that the U.S. Government can 'seize' or classify energy patents as 'Top Secret' or IN the interest of National Defense, right? They sure as heck can and they have been doing this for years.

That 'column multi generation pole' type of wind power I was talking about? It's light years ahead of any wind power out there now and still in it's infancy, due to 'political' hurdles.
It involves tall columns with numerous cylinder shaped vanes that rotate independently of one another. They are lightweight, so it doesn't take a lot of wind to get them moving. Each 'cylinder' transfers generated electricity to the central shaft or column and they all contribute like a 'hive' farm. Much more efficient, safe and smart than those monstrous turbines they have now. No bird strikes, no bat kills, and no single point of failure like the ones now.

One last note- remember that famous inventor Nikola Tesla?  He had some wild ideas about 'free' electricity for the world before J.P. Morgan pulled his wallet out from under him.  Tesla died poor and alone.  You need to KNOW what you are up against.

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Steven-

Tim 'says' he needs money.  This is the famous 'cart before the horse' scenario.

Very few, if any angel investors in today's world invest in 'ideas' or 'concepts'. They invest in people and teams.  Google that phrase, you will see it's very true.

 Because the 'right' people make things happen and that includes breakthrough technologies and products.  It sounds like Tim really needs to build a small scale working prototype for proof of concept and then proceed from there.

I have a breakthrough medical related device myself that I have had to entirely develop and fund by myself, so I know what he is up against.  It will not be an easy path to travel that's for sure.

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Even if he could figure out how to file a patent that doesn't mean anyone will hand over a bunch of money to try to produce it. 

 A simple licensing play should be the goal. But for something that exotic as a new energy gizmo you need to prove it works and then send it to someone who understands how the rest of it all works and will pay for it.  That's why I suggested he build it out and send it to Edison Nation. You don't need to file a patent with EN.

Ralph Machesky
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Hi Tim. ... concerning getting a patent I feel very strongly both ways. I've done enough tinkering with building prototypes to know that what you think is going to be a cat ends up being a dog at times, so that would lend itself to what Jim is suggesting concerning patent protection. Make sure you understand all you can about your invention first before considering patent protection.

With that said if you can and do build a working prototype in your shed and are then confident that if you hook part A up to part B and pull lever C it will indeed work as efficiently as envisioned then I'm not sure that when you get to that point patent protection for the "process" might not be something to consider as Steven has mentioned. If the dynamics for your invention will always remain the same and your wind power system  is something that is truly "unique" for wind power then you "Might be" on to something worth protecting as a process at some point Sometimes size doesn't matter if the concept is the same. You'll need to know that there is nothing out there like your concept and that it actually works as planned. Your path "might be" easier with a patent and proof of concept. To get a patent you have to be able to explain in layman terms to someone skilled in that particular field how your invention works

I think there are angel investor groups but I would think you would need to have a good business plan already in place to get any interest there. 

Like others ..... I'm not an attorney and to be honest have never even spent the night in a Holiday Inn .... so you might want to take my advice with a grain of salt. Every situation is different and it really does pay to be conservative and to take baby steps. Good luck in finding the best path to proceed.

Ralph Machesky
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