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Official Spring's Creative Craft Kit LPS Q & A

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Do you have any questions about the Spring’s Creative Craft Kit LPS? Ask here. If I don’t have the answer, I’ll ask the search sponsor.

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Hey, thanks, Eddie! John answered some of that when I asked if the kits needed to be patentable, but further clarification about techniques used might be nice.

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I submitted my entry yesterday but I want to upload some images into the media section. I forget how to get in and edit your submission? Should I post this in the website section?

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Patrice, these sort of questions should be delivered by carrier pigeon. But since you asked, you can either use the link on your home page/your idea database/edit. :)

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Hey, what’s the occasion for being up so early this am? Do you start your job today???

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nah, my neighbor’s cat stopped by, and since I have to get use to getting up early, I figured I might as well stay up instead of going back to sleep. In 36 hours I’ll be landing in Seattle.

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That sounds like a smart thing to do. Are you getting nervous yet?

Thanks for answering my question on the edit button. I think EN should be paying you for your speedy and correct answers to all of our questions. Or are you already on the payroll…hmmm

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Nope, still on G7 :)

I don’t see a point in getting nervous. My bosses realize that I have no knowledge of the job, and my 2500 employees are all new as well. I met two of my asst managers yesterday and they seem like good choices for the job. It isn’t rocket science to count people. It’ll be challenging, and may seem improbable, but not impossible.

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Well, good luck Mark! I know you’ll be great :)

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Hi Mark, tomorrows your big day! I know you will
be outstanding. Warm Wishes :)

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What job are you going to,Mark?Good luck with it.

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Thanks. The toughest part will be ending the 22 week vacation. :)

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John, when do you plan on wrapping up the final choices for presentation for Springs Creative? Also, when does Springs Creative get to see the selections? Thanks

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nospohenterprise's Avatar

Finalist

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G7

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muddejp's Avatar

The G7 boat sets sail!!! I am on board!!!

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nospohenterprise's Avatar

Good luck, I’m going to enjoy the ride but hope it don’t end like 7/31 (LOL)

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Chic, Tara and Greg….congratulations! I can’t wait to purchase your products!

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Chic,Greg & Tara Terrific!!!Good Luck Guys

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G7 – I am in !!!!!!!!!

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Wow, that was fast! Congrats everyone!

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nospohenterprise's Avatar

Thanks everyone, John or Matt what’s the head count?

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Well, I figure it’s safe to come out of hiding now. I was afraid if I said yesterday that I had 2 at G5 they would turn red, but now I have 2 at G7 so I hope it safe to tell! And to think I almost didn’t enter my second idea ….wow! Good luck to all and I can’t wait to see everyon’s ideas on the shelves!!!!!!

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Good for you Carol, Lot of Luck . :D

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Thanks Toni – I was hoping your ideas would make it too. Have to admit I’m intrigued by a craft that is smaller than a postcard!!!

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Quick update folks…We are presenting 25 ideas to Springs Creative. I will post an update by the end of the day tomorrow. I expect that a portion of those 25 will be eliminated and that we will have to wait a bit to get firm commitments on any that remain. Good luck everyone!

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Cool Thanks John! Does that mean you are presenting to them tomorrow?

I started a Springs Creative G7 Network for those that are G7 please join.
http://www.edisonnation.com/inventor_groups/315
See you there.

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Congrats Greg! And go Rays!

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Carol, you have a good memory. (Smaller than a
postcard) I will save that for another search
contest. LOL

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Congrats G7’s!!

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Chic, you know we can’t release the # of submissions – guess you’ll keep on trying, though ;-)

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I was looking for the number that was going to SC. John already said it was 25.

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Springs Creative Presentation Update***

I am back from presenting the top 25 ideas to Springs Creative. The quality and diversity of the ideas presented exceeded their expectations. Congratulations to all of you and thank you for your contributions.

With that said, Springs is seriously considering ten of the twenty-five submissions presented. If your idea is not in this group, I will update your dashboard momentarily. If you are one of the top ten, I ask for your patience. Springs Creative may take up to 45 days to make their final decision.

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Still Green too! Tick Tock!

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Greg!!! That sucks!! I either haven’t been updated yet or I am still in. You have been so close!! You have also been the first one updated on this search, so I know I am not out of the woods! So far still green!

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Hang in there, Greg!

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If it’s still Green – does that mean I made it?
Cause I am STILL Green!

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I have made the updates. If you are still green, then you are one of the ten submissions still in consideration.

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Woo Hoo! I am still green!!
Hang on while I do my forum dance!
:O :D :) :D :O :D :) .. Ok I am done.
Congratulations to all who made it. I am sorry for those that didn’t, I definitely know the feeling and I also know that nothing is guaranteed for me yet. But you have to celebrate each little victory along the way!

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John,
Thank you for keeping us updated! That was very nice. I really appreciate it and I am sure everyone else does to. Thank you for representing us.

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Congratulations Greg!!!

Sorry to all that didn’t make it :(

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Well, I’m out on both. I thought the one would go for sure, but…. can’t wait to see the ones that were chosen. Good Luck to the Lucky 10! Hope they pick tham all!!!

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WOW!! that was a swift ride, I’m out but I like the way this went. The search ended, EE made there picks and presented it all in a weeks time.

Thank you EE looking forward to the next search

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Whoa! When did all this happen? Can I assume I’m still safe if I’m green at 7?

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Congrats Tara – looks like you’re one of the Lucky 10 along with Greg. Can’t wait to see your ideas on the shelf!

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Hey John: any chance for some feedback for the G7’s that weren’t picked?

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Thanks Carol. I love your avatar…are you an artist?

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Thanks Tara – I can only draw if I’m using graph paper and a lot of imagination. My son drew it for me. It represents my inspirations: my kids Kelley, Andy & Tom and my dog Daisy. Not real original I suppose, but it keeps me focused on why I keep plugging away each day!

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Congrats to all who made it.

I was one of the “silent” G7 but was R8 this afternoon.

I kept quiet in fear that any mention would jinx me.

I agree with Chic, EN did a great job stream lining the system on this search.

Good luck to those who are still in it!

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Damn you double post!

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Two holding on G7. Hopefully Springs will see the value in getting to market sooner than later and not wait 45 days to make their decisions :)

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John,
I have a question. The contracts that we are hoping for, are they licensing agreements or are they manufacturing agreements?

Also were the 3 Spencer’s contracts licensing agreements?

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Wow, that was fast! Great job EN. Congrats to those still in it and good luck with the waaaaaaiiiiiiiitttttttting!
Congrats to those that got RED on 8, too.
Greg M, you’ve gotta be due!

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Greg,
Although there are exceptions to every rule, the rule with LPS is that the innovations submitted will be licensed to the search sponsor.

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Dang, I gotta vent. 2 red 8’s in a few days. It sucks. I’m a bit disheartened. It’s not EN’s fault. It just sucks to think that my ideas weren’t that well accepted. You really put yourself out there when you wear your dreams on your sleeve for others to judge. I’m going to take a break from inventing until I see how my other ideas go over. I’m not looking for sympathy, just needed to say something out loud to get it out of my system. Thanks for letting me vent.

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:(( Sorry for you reds. I have 7 Greens and they
are all stuck on G3 (forever) I guess that’s not
a good sign either. :(
There is always another contest and another chance to get excited. One day you will reach
that Green 8 again. Nitey – Nite…

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Mark,
You should have been around in July when we had our first LPS. G4 was the highest you can go.

There was a lot of heart breaking on 7/31/2008 now that was the day that I won’t forget.

If you look at the first finalist group www.edisonnation.com/inventor_groups/244 (Mike G) was in it. So hang in there your time is coming.

PS: We also had a get it off your chest thread but I can’t find it.

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Thanks Chic, Actually I was around in July and was booted from that one early too. It was just a kick in the pants to get shot down before I realized I was in the game. For Spencers I was at G7 forever, then Red 8. A few days later I was G7 and Red 8 within a day. I should be more confident knowing that EN felt it was worthy of presenting, but unlike a few people around here, I’m not ready to wallpaper my house with rejection letters.

Of course it should help that I was interviewed on the news yesterday and spent the last two days with our mayor, a Presidential appointed Government official, and attended a briefing with the founder of the Carlyle Group. I’m not taking it as a shot to my strengths and abilities, just my perception of what is marketable.

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Mark, is that handsome man on my left YOU?

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I thought my ideas were pretty good also, maybe
they are, but not for springs creative. For another manufacturer. :)

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The fat one? Yup, that’s me. :)

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LoL

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“It depend on how you define the word ‘is’.”

I’m sorry, I am in a non-political government agency and can not acknowledge or deny the presence of that woman.

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Mark,

I know how you feel. One one hand I was happy that they were quick with the Springs Creative results, but I was disappointed to realize that noone was agonizing over the brilliance of my idea. I was just sure that they were last time when it took a month :).

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John, any updates?

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After meeting with Springs Creative last week, I am updating the dashboards. The Springs team has eliminated several of the submissions from consideration. I will keep you updated as I learn more about the ones still under consideration. Thank you.

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good luck all!

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Is anyone keeping track of who is still in the Creative Springs Search?

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Seems quite a few got R8 and the same feeback…. ‘To many products just like it etc’ -Who is still green?

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I feel sure Greg S. has it locked up. Toni says ‘vacation’, but the winners always get REALLY quiet around this time…fingers crossed.

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Tara – really Greg and his family went on a
cruiseship vacation. :)

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Oh, dang. So much for my detective skills… but still fingers crossed for Greg and the others left in.

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I would like to know how many of the final 10 are still in consideration?

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I, too, would also like to know how many of the 10 finalists are still in consideration. I am still confused as to how several of the products in the finals were deemed “too similar” to other products. How did those products make it so far, only for Springs to give the generic excuse of “too many like it on the market”? I am very interested in what Joaco has asked – can someone at EN please elaborate?

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I am back from my vacation. I also received the R8 on the Springs Creative search. Counting myself and the R8 posts from the Share your G’s topic. It looks like there are at most 4 entries left.

I wonder if companies are going to start using the EN collective brain power to spark internal brainstorms to fuel design teams that may be falling short of new ideas. Especially with products that may not be patentable, like craft products.
The LP searches can go both ways… there is no limit to the number of entries selected but there is no guarantee that any entry will be selected either.

Just something to think about…
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Greg, I thought they had to select at least ONE. I thought that is what Matt said early on, I could be wrong. Perhaps John M. or Matt will chime in with the answer.

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I don’t know about that, I don’t ever remember him saying that. Either way there is no guarantee.

If I was the head of a company that was struggling for new ideas and I heard of EN, I would create an LPS to get my designers thinking more out of the box. Worst case you pay a $2500 advance, pick a product and let it sit for 5 years.
I know there is a use it or lose it clause but it doesn’t say they have to pay the $100k, it just says if they don’t then you have rights to your original idea and they own a license and still can produce it if they want.
I hope there is something in the agreement between the company sponsoring the search and EN that we don’t know that protects against abuse, I would hope so.
I think EN is doing a great job bringing manufacturers closer to inventors and this is a learning experience for all of us. EN has no control over the amount of entries selected by the company, so they are not to blame. I am not bitter about it, I just don’t want big companies using us as a team building experience, let them go play golf together instead.

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Greg, I was sure you were the chosen one. If indeed no one was selected by Springs, does it make sense that the 10 finalists would get a $25 refund or free submission to another search?

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If I remember correctly, they do not have to pick
any winners.

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Joaco,

I’m VERY curious what your experience was… because it sounds eerily similar to ours. We, too, were finalists, and of course were hopeful we would get a deal.

Then we were asked for additional information about the idea. Our contact at EN seemed to indicate that this was an unusual final step for such a search. We responded promptly by sending prototypes and a video of the idea.

After we found out we’d been rejected we again spoke with our EN contact. She said the Springs group felt the product was too similar to their product and that the idea was one best suited for a craft book, rather than as a packagable product. My wife and I both felt this didn’t make any sense based on their existing product line. The EN contact seemed to agree with us.

Obviously, to get to G8 and then get rejected is painful. But to get rejected with only hearsay feedback is excruciating. I’ve got an idea that both EN and I have invested a significant amount of time and effort into. Both EN and Springs Creative felt it was good enough to be a finalist. But then it was rejected—why? If we knew that, perhaps we could address the reason so that it’s resolved when we present it to another potential licensee (although I suspect there were other factors that affected the outcome of the second meeting).

I’m thankful for the opportunity of the LPS, and of course heartened by the fact that the idea made it as far as it did. However, this issue has personally made me wary of future LPSs. Here’s an idea: maybe EN provides feedback on the ideas that make it to a certain level.

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Brad,

I agree with you when you get rejected at that level you should be entitled to some solid feedback. As you mentioned at that stage a lot of time has been invested by EN on your product. EN should have a clear understanding of why your product was rejected and out of respect for the long process should freely give up that information.

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Good points Brad, I too was in the same boat as you. I am just curious if anyone got a contract. Or did Springs decide not to expand thier line now? If no one got a contract, is Springs prevented contractually from producing any very similar ideas on thier own?

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It seems as though we may not get a response about who is left of the top 10 in the search, if any.

Here is the list I have compiled of the top 10 entries (with a few questions).
1) Greg Spiegel R8
2) Michael Dufresne R8
3) Tara D R8
4) Stephanie Carver R8
5 and 6)James Fisher R8 and R8 – 2 entries
7?) Bradley Borch R8 – Was this under a different username? I don’t see the “GOLD” icon.

Joaco – I don’t think he ever said that he was G7 on Springs and he does not have the “GOLD” icon either. Correct me if I am wrong.

So as I see it there are at most 3 entries left of the 10. If anyone has other information, let’s fill in the blanks. If you are still in it let us know or if you got a R8 after the prototype meeting, speak up now to help us out.

Of course John could just pop in and let us know too ;)

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Greg, I recently dropped my gold membership.

I believe EN has been square in their dealings and doing their best to provide a valuable service to inventors.

But the lack of feedback is why I’m not sure I’ll be doing anymore LPSs. If we had some idea of how many entrants were in a search and if we got some feedback after we reached a certain stage, I know I’d be more inclined to jump in again.

Here’s another idea: a two-tier approach. $10 to submit an idea. I’m guessing the vast majority of ideas don’t make it past the first round of cuts, so this defrays the quick review of the idea.

Then, if you get past that round, an additional $50 to go through the entire process the rest of the way. If you agree to enter this stage, some feedback from the final outcome is included.

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Oh ok, thanks Brad. I just wanted to make sure I wasn’t counting yours twice.

I don’t imagine that EN will change their pricing structure or give feedback. If they had a price for feedback then everyone would complain that it was not detailed enough or too cookie cutter, etc.

I think we all just need to accept EN for the tool that it is, and just be aware of any shortcomings.

I am not sure that I would want to be in the business of providing large scale feedback for a fixed price either.

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Just so everyone knows, we are creating a group for the top 10 rejects.

It is called Springs Creative R8
http://www.edisonnation.com/inventor_groups/551

Join this group if you want to explore presenting your ideas to other companies.

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Wow, there has been a lot of good debate in this thread since I last posted 9 days ago. I’ll do my best to address all of your questions and concerns.

Q: How many craft kit submissions are still in consideration?

A: There are two in consideration.

Q: Is any search sponsor obligated to select at least one submission?

A: No, the search sponsor is not obligated to select a submission. However, every search sponsor I have worked with has had the genuine desire to commercialize innovative submissions.

Q: How can a submission make it to finalist, get presented to the sponsor, make it to a second round with the sponsor and then fail?

A: For any submission, until the contract is signed, it stands the real possibility of rejection at any time. We can cite market potential, uniqueness, patentability, profit margin, fit with the sponsor… as evidence of a submission’s potential for success, but the bottom-line is that the decision makers we present to must agree that the potential for success outweighs the real cost to develop and commercialize. They assume the risk and the decision is theirs. We do not necessarily have a clear understanding of why any submission fails upon presentation. For example, one influential member of the sponsor’s team may simply say that an idea feels too much like a “me too product”.

Q: EN should provide feedback.

A: Simply stated, Edison Nation is not in the business of providing feedback. We are in the business of providing a safe, credible platform for you to develop and succeed as an individual inventor. We provide premium content and educational resources, but fundamentally, the community is your best resource. As a community you are a tremendous resource for our search sponsors who seek innovation. In turn, they provide great opportunities for you; the opportunity to license innovation.

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John – Naturally, we’re bummed, but we understand the nature of the LPS program. I guess we collectively hoped for more success based on the post 83 days ago: “FYI…Springs Creative is very excited about this Live Product Search. They want to select lots of ideas. This is a great opportunity for the Edison Nation community!”. We’ll keep at it, and get ’em next time.

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I am doing a little research and found this little article. Nothing too newsworthy but I figured it may be of interest to some here.

Springs Creative inks deal with Nickelodeon & Viacom
September 23, 2008 (USA)
http://www.fibre2fashion.com/news/garment-apparel-news/usa/newsdetails.aspx?news_id=63724

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The contract deadline of 45 days from the presentation should be coming up. December 7, I believe, so we should be hearing the fate of the 2 final entries soon. Good Luck to the 2 who are still in the running. You must have come up with some extremely unique craft kits!

If you are still in the running, we would like to hear from you. This search discouraged a lot of us, so a quick note to verify that there are a couple of entries would be greatly appreciated.

All we have heard is bad news from everyone, we need some good.

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I am just going to throw this out there, not really expecting EN to answer [as answers have been a little scarce lately] but…In regards to the Springs Creative LPS has the EN team given any thought to the chance that maybe ‘they’ [EN] may have gotten this one wrong. I mean, looking back at all the ideas that EN felt didn’t make the cut, therefore Springs Creative never saw, with the knowledge EN has gained from Springs Creative feedback thus far, were there some ideas you now wish you had presented to Springs Creative and is there an avenue to do so?

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Cheryl, Your brain never stops. :)) LOL

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I think that the Spring Creative search has been one of the more challenging searches.

At first, when this search was started I was very excited and thought this was within the area of my expertise. In high school I took every art, crafts, ceramics, woods, metals classes that were offered. I also took many additional classes during my short college days. I also owned a floral shop and also worked as a designer/ manager for several years.

So having all this experience behind me I thought this would be the perfect LPS for me. Well I didn’t even enter the search.

I had a couple of ideas that I was going to enter but, after I took time to consider if they were " unique" enough, I changed my mind. I can see exactly why there were so few entries selected.

This search was for a company that does mainly craft kits that are fabric related. Not an easy area to come up with unique ideas. I had one idea that I had ready to submit, I just had to upload pictures of my idea that I had already made and was using.

My idea was a very simple kit to make a cover for Ipods or cell phones. I made one for my own Ipod. My kit idea would have included some small pieces of fabric, a pattern, and some beads and other accessories. I thought it was easy enough for kids to do, not alot of complicated sewing and they could make gifts for their family. I just didn’t think it was unique enough.

I was also thinking of submitting ideas that had nothing to do with fabric. When my kids were little my daughter would make butter molds for the holiday. I would just put some heavy cream in a bottle or jar put on some music and we would dance around and she would shake her bottle and the end result was butter. I had a couple of cute holiday molds, and she would make these butter molds to bring to the holiday dinners. She was so proud of her contribution. It would make an easy kit just a container, a few holiday shaped molds, and recipe directions. But again i just didn’t think it was right for Spring Creative.

I could probably come up with a ton of craft ideas for kids, but unfortunately there are so many of these ideas that are already out there. Especially fabric related items.

I just thought I would post my own experience, because it seems to be a bit of a sore spot here on this search thread.
I know people are looking for answers to questions I definitely cannot answer, but I can see exactly why the search did not come up as successful as the more general searches.

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Joaco,

We appreciate your feedback. Please keep in mind that in working with such a broad spectrum of manufacturers and retailers, our Live Product Search process cannot – and will not – possibly accommodate the needs and specific scenarios of each individual inventor. With that said, please respect the process we’ve spent much time and care developing, as we will also respect and consider your suggestions for improvement (as we are always looking to improve).

1) No, it is not intriguing that the search sponsor eliminated submissions. The search sponsor eliminates submissions at their discretion, but they do not decide what is or is not a viable invention. The search sponsor never qualified them as viable inventions. In fact, none of the submissions have been disqualified as viable inventions. They were simply not chosen by the search sponsor.

Selection is a process that differs from sponsor to sponsor. For this search, after round one, the sponsor indicated those submissions that were of interest and those that were not. At their request, we asked some of the remaining inventors to send prototypes for a second round with the sponsor. After the second round, the sponsor, after further review and input from additional members of their organization, indicated that they were then only interested in considering two of the remaining submissions.

The feedback given to these inventors was done so directly and confidentially. In no case was the feedback limited to, “too similar to other products on the market.”

2) The rejection of any submission in no way indicates a lack of understanding prior to seeing a prototype.

3) A prototype is not necessary to understand an invention.

4) The search sponsor may eliminate any submission for any reason.

5) A prototype is not necessary.

6) I agree. I expect sponsors to exercise care, objectivity, responsibility and candor in performing their evaluations. As I posted in my earlier response, “every search sponsor I have worked with has had the genuine desire to commercialize innovative submissions.”

7) Yes, it is possible. We work hard to ensure that our sponsors act honorably.

8) We operate in good faith. I assure you that we would not continue a relationship with a sponsor that abused the process.

9) No, the sponsor is not required a reason for rejection.

10) No, the sponsor may reject a submission for any reason.

11) No, the sponsor is not required a reason for rejection.

12) Your feedback is appreciated. Everyone at Edison Nation is dedicated to developing and improving the process. It is inevitable that there will be missteps, but I assure you that we make every effort to learn from them and improve.

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Just to be clear, my reply below was to this set of questions from Joaco:

Joaco says…

This time I’ll be more succinct, and phrase my concerns as questions:

1) Isn’t it intriguing that after seeing prototypes, a sponsor eliminates submissions claiming “too similar to other products on the market” after the same sponsor qualified them as viable inventions?
(IMPORTANT: By definition an invention precludes the notion that there are other products like that on the marketplace)

2) Isn’t clear that they they did not understand these submissions prior to seeing a prototype?

3) Isn’t it clear that if a prototype is necessary to understand an invention ALL the other submissions that were not supported by a prototype were NOT understood?

4) As a result, isn’t it clear that some of these submissions might have been unduly eliminated?

5) If a prototype is necessary wouldn’t it have been more appropriate, useful and fair to request it prior to any eliminations?

6) Since the submissions are not unsolicited, but instead REQUESTED, and to protect the efficiency and good use of the LPS system, shouldn’t it be expected of the sponsor to exercise much care, objectivity, responsibility and candor in performing their evaluations?

7) Isn’t it theoretically possible that a sponsor be negligent at best and malicious at worst when using the LPS system?

8) Isn’t it a good idea to provide mechanisms to prevent that, or to control it, or to simply ban an unsuitable sponsor from any further use of the system?

9) Also, to protect the good use of the system, and willing participants who in good faith invest time and reources, shouldn’t the sponsor clearly and unambiguously state to EN (not the inventors, just to EN) the reason (s) for rejection?

10) If a reason of “too many like that” is given shouldn’t it be necessary to request specific citations, also to protect from a ‘light and casual’ evaluation and misuse of the system?

11) Isn’t it paramount that even if absurd and disagreable the reason(s) given (Any reason is acceptable) must be fully UNDERSTOOD and recorded?

12) Aren’t we all human and hence, susceptible to err, but then capable to admit, correct and improve?

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Greg,

Yes, the deadline is approaching. I certainly hope to be the bearer of good news…for a change.

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Cheryl,

I have to admit that we are disappointed that more of the final submissions are not still being considered. In fact, we did ask ourselves what we could have done better and differently. While I do not feel that there are any submissions cut that should have been presented, I do believe that we have identified ways in which to improve.

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lol

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I’m always misspelling words, but I think my posts are still understandable, just like Joaco’s. I’m sure I would misspell tons of words if I had to type in Spanish or Chinese or Latin!Why the focus on spelling? I think I’m ofinded!

Becky

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Joaco,
Your position is that the search sponsor should be required to give a reason for rejecting a submission. Edison Nation will not implement this requirement because to do so would not benefit the sponsor. The benefit for the sponsor is the opportunity to license innovation submitted by our community. In return, they agree, in good faith, to consider submissions for commercialization. Our goal is to present this community’s best submissions and secure licensing agreements. Anything else is a distraction.

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John, As a finalist who was asked to submit a prototype, and then given R8, I have to express my thoughts. I feel my idea was very clearly expressed. Yes, there are many types of them on the market – but my product has unique features that made it different from the others out there and was geared to the specifications of what Spring was looking for. I was told that Springs said they were “leery” about getting into “that market because of all of the competition”. Didn’t they know this before asking for my prototype? Did it take seeing my prototype for them to realize this? On the other hand, I was told that they were very interested in making this type of product, but that mine was too similar to others currently on the market…. I was just really confused about their reasoning…which makes me “leery” about their intent with the search.

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Hi Everybody,
I just spoke to Joaco and explained to him why his series of questions were so difficult for John to answer and he thought (and I agree) that it would be a good idea to share what I told him with you guys.

This will be an abbreviated version because we talked for quite a while… The premise that a retailer does or does not understand an idea or know if there are similar ideas in the market has nothing to do with prototypes.

Let me go a little further back: as we’re reviewing ideas internally, we have two stages where we review potentially competitive products and IP. Our review team is very good but not perfect. From time to time, they may even miss a competitive product until we’re about to present it to a retailer.

It is also noteworthy that a retailer’s version of “too similar to something else” may be different than ours. We may see something that is just like something out there but has a fantastic twist to it that makes it unique. The retailer might disagree that the twist is noteworthy enough to invest their time, money and shelf space on. They can’t pick all of the ideas so they move on to the next one. There’s nothing we can do there.

I am confident that the retailer is able to easily understand each idea that we show them. We have a team who prepares presentations for retailers quite often and they do a fantastic job. We even test the presentation internally. If you submit videos or sell sheets, those are almost always linked in the presentation and shared with the retailer. If the retailer doesn’t understand the idea, the onus ultimately falls on you to better explain it. However, I can’t say that it’s a problem… Just about everybody does a good job of explaining their invention. (comment for our review team’s benefit: I’m not saying you should use more words to explain your idea – fewer words make it much easier to interpret – a sales sheet or video make it very easy).

Finally, when we present to the retailer, we have a couple of hours to present 20-40 or so ideas. We need to move pretty quickly. We spent a lot of time on the ideas that they really like and much less time on those that they don’t like. Our goal is to hone in on the absolute best ideas with the absolute best chance of success in their stores. Toward the end of the presentation, we’ll revive an idea or two that we really thought they’d like to try to give it another shot but we can’t do it at the expense of the ideas that they are really interested in. We leave that meeting with a list of definite no’s, some maybes and some “almost definite” yes’s. At that point, John will update the boards for those who were not selected. He will also in many cases contact inventors with follow-up questions from the retailer – maybe even asking for a prototype.

When we reconvene with the retailer, they’ve had time to do market research and competitive research as well as to consider production of the product. Just as we sometimes miss an idea that already exists the first (and second) time around, so do the retailers. When we reconvene, they’ll take some more ideas out of the running for any number of reasons including it’s too close to something out there, it’s too expensive/difficult to produce, and any number of other reasons including they have simply changed their minds and just don’t like it as much as they thought they did. It doesn’t take a prototype presentation for them to reach those conclusions but we didn’t know that when we packed up any prototypes to bring to the meeting.

I’m sorry for the long response but I wanted to make sure I covered the points that Joaco and I spoke about. He was very adamant that his goal is to help us improve the process and he was pointing out an issue that he believed was a major flaw. I’d disagree – I think he just misunderstood the process because we haven’t ever described that part of the process for you guys. Now we have :-)

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Thanks, Matt. It’s nice to have a better understanding of how that process works.

Becky

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Stephanie,

I am reluctant to talk about your particular circumstances in a public forum. I will say that we could have better communicated the feedback from Springs. The prototype was only a small factor in their decision. I assure you that their intent was real. I would be happy to give you more particulars if you contact me directly. Please send me an email.

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John, I certainly encourage you to discuss the feedback with Stephanie. However, I’m not sure what you mean by saying you “could have better communicated the feedback from Springs”—whom would you have communicated it to, and in what medium?

My understanding was that there was NO feedback provided to entrants (other than the dashboard). Since you clearly cannot comment on specific ideas, what more can you say than “the search went well and we are pleased with the results?”

With all due respect, we need some clarification as to how and when official feedback will be given. When my wife and I presented several ideas at the Providence casting call, the official position was that no feedback would be provided. However, I was told to give my email address to one of the attendants. I did so, and one of the reviewers did get back to me with some excellent information. Along the same lines, I we did get some unofficial feedback from the Springs search.

Hearsay or “interpreted” feedback is better than no feedback at all, and I realize it is impossible to provide feedback to all entrants. I with several of Joaco’s concerns and I believe it would be very valuable to have a robust reporting system that documents why ideas are rejected. This will help keep the sponsor “honest” and focused on real reasons for rejection, and help EN refine its selection process by learning why sponsors reject ideas. If this were in place, it seems to me a logical next step to provide this feedback to the entrants whose ideas get pitched.

In any event, I would appreciate being afforded the same response as Stephanie if possible.

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Wow Matt,
That information is incredibly helpful. I am so glad you decided to post it. Thank you!

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I have to disagree with the statement that it’s not in the sponsor’s interest to give reasons why they reject an idea. Yes, they should be able to reject an idea for any reason. However, for the LPSs, EN is essentially acting as a product development agency for a company.

The successful inventors I admire develop relationships with companies and are sensitive to their needs. One of the most important steps some of these people recommend is followup from submitting a sell sheet: “What was it about the idea you didn’t like?”

If EN has value to a company, I would expect it would be in acting as a creative agency to provide ideas. If I hired such an agency and it gave me ideas I didn’t think worked for me, I would want to enter into a dialog: “I think the idea isn’t right for me because [my reason here] but YOU (EN) thought it made sense for me… Why?”

I may think I know my market better than you, but your perspective is valuable to me… after all, that’s why I hired you.

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Bradley,
I never said it wasn’t in a sponsor’s interest to give reasons for turning down an idea. We communicate with the retailers all the time. We talk to them about their needs and what they’ve done in the past that has been successful and what has not been successful.

We’re here to help them innovate and to make that process faster, easier and more successful. If the retailer agrees we are doing all of that, we’ve added significant value to everybody on all sides of the equation. If they don’t believe giving us feedback on a particular product is beneficial to that process, that’s their prerogative.

I’ve covered this in several forums (asked in several different ways) already with you. I respectfully ask that you move on with your concern on the feedback issue. If you don’t see the reasons we need to do it this way after reading my previous post, arguing about it isn’t going to help anybody. After all, we’re not forcing you to submit ideas. Just enjoy the other features of the site.

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Glad everything was cleared up for you Joaco. :)

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Matt,

Regarding the statement, I was responding to something John said, that it would not benefit the sponsor to require them to give their reasons to you at EN for rejecting a sponsor.

As far as the feedback, that again was the word John used: “I will say that we could have better communicated the feedback from Springs.” I’m just looking for clarification on that.

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I have started a new thread for all Live Product Search Official Q&A. Please go look for information on our newest Everyday Edison. http://www.edisonnation.com/forums/18/topics/1311

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Hello EE-veryone,

Thanks for all the kind words. Our family would like to thank Springs Creative, EE and EN! We are thankful and feel very blessed to submit an innovation that we firmly believe will contribute toward global education, diversity and harmony.

The Lord has blessed the fruit of my hands. Our family (my wife and I and our 4 young children) are honored and very thankful!

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